models/epiCRealism - Natural Sin RC1 VAE

epiCRealism - Natural Sin RC1 VAE

epinikion

7/18/2025

5:30:25 AM

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Related Keywords & Tags

Close-up of a cracked open coconut with water splashing out, set on a sandy tropical beach with palm trees and a turquoise sea background under a bright sky.

Front view of a luxury emerald green SUV with aggressive headlights and a large grill, wet ground reflecting the vehicle, surrounded by forest under a cloudy sky in a cinematic style.

Potted olive tree with dark green leaves planted in a simple round cream-colored pot, set against a plain minimalist background on a wooden stool.

Teen Asian girl wearing rectangle glasses and a striped prison jumpsuit smiling while standing with handcuffs in a courtroom setting

A lone figure walks down a narrow pathway surrounded by dark grassy terrain toward a glowing horizon under a starry, foggy night sky with the Milky Way visible above.

Young brunette woman dressed in black off-shoulder top and skirt, wearing a cross necklace and smiling gently inside a church setting with wooden pews and stained glass windows.

Portrait of a young woman casually leaning against a wooden door, wearing a white long-sleeve shirt and denim shorts, captured in high definition with natural light.

AI generated image of a miniature garden terrarium in a glass globe using Stable Diffusion.

Wizard warrior in long robe holding a torch and standing in a vast desert landscape under a clear sky, AI generated using Stable Diffusion.

Dark, menacing Joker character with distinctive clown makeup and a sinister smile. AI generated image using Stable Diffusion.

Recommended Prompts

simple explanation of the image,try first without extra keywords

Recommended Negative Prompts

cartoon, painting, illustration, (worst quality, low quality, normal quality:2)

asian, chinese (if looking for non-Asian ethnicities)

Recommended Parameters

samplers

SDE, DPM-Sampler, 2M Karras Sampler, Any Sampler, DPM++ SDE Karras, DPM++ 2M SDE Karras, Restart, DPM++ SDE, DPM++ 2M Karras

steps

20 - 30

cfg

2 - 7

resolution

512x768, 768x512, 512x768, 768x512, 640x960

vae

vae-ft-mse-840000-ema-pruned.safetensors (735e4c3a44)

other models

epiCRealism-naturalSin (84a88972f9)

Recommended Hires (High-Resolution) Parameters

upscaler

4x_NMKD-Superscale-SP_178000_G

upscale

1.5 - 2

steps

10 - 15

denoising strength

0.3 - 0.35

Tips

Use simple prompts; avoid using excessive keywords like masterpiece, best quality, 8k.

No need for complex negative prompts; small negative embeddings give the most realistic look.

Add 'asian, chinese' to negatives if targeting non-Asian ethnicities.

Avoid using 'cinematic' for natural effects.

Avoid '1girl' to prevent anime-style outputs.

Too much description of the face often worsens results.

No extra noise-offset is needed but can be used optionally.

Version Highlights

Since i'm low on time i still wanted to release the RC1 of an new aproach.

ordinary faces, natural look, more face diversity
hand fix

VAE included

Recommended simple Negative for average looking output, avoid "optimizer" Embeddings

cartoon, cgi, render, illustration, painting, drawing

seems to be a bit nsfw heavy and very lose on prompt guidance for now

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Natural Sin Final and last of epiCRealism

~~Since SDXL is right around the corner~~, let's say it is the final version for now since I put a lot effort into it and probably cannot do much more.

I tried to refine the understanding of the Prompts, Hands and of course the Realism.
Let's see what you guys can do with it.

Thanks to @drawaline for the in-depth review, so i'd like to give some advices to use this model.
[expand to see Advices]

Advices

use simple prompts
no need to use keywords like "masterpiece, best quality, 8k, intricate, high detail" or "(extremely detailed face), (extremely detailed hands), (extremely detailed hair)" since it doesn't produce appreciable change
use simple negatives or small negative embeddings. gives most realistic look (check samples to get an idea of negatives i used)
add "asian, chinese" to negative if you're looking for ethnicities other than Asian
Light, shadows, and details are excellent without extra keywords
If you're looking for a natural effect, avoid "cinematic"
avoid using "1girl" since it pushes things to render/anime style
to much description of the face will turn out bad mostly
for a more fantasy like output use 2M Karras Sampler
no extra noise-offset needed, but u can if you like to 😉

How to use?

Prompt: simple explanation of the image (try first without extra keywords)
Negative: "cartoon, painting, illustration, (worst quality, low quality, normal quality:2)"
Steps: >20 (if image has errors or artefacts use higher Steps)
CFG Scale: 5 (higher config scale can lose realism, depends on prompt, sampler and Steps)
Sampler: Any Sampler (SDE, DPM-Sampler will result in more realism)
Size: 512x768 or 768x512
Hires upscaler: 4x_NMKD-Superscale-SP_178000_G (Denoising: 0.35, Upscale: 2x)